[2] The Thamud are not specially connected to the Thamudic scripts, an aggregate term for understudied writing systems of Ancient Arabia. The Ghassanids, Lakhmids and Kindites were the last major migration of pre-Islamic Arabs out of Yemen to the north. And you said the nabteons built over them so if they built over them all then how could the prophet see them or the quran describe them when they were built over by them and by the time the prophet came because the nabateans came before jazzakkallah, But these are the last 5 questions and thats it sorry to keep bothering you it is that Im getting all the information I can so if Im ever questioned then I can answer them jazzakkallah, Sorry just 2 more but thats it most of these questions are yes or no Other ahadith mention that this was the land of Thamud ie. Archaeologists should do their job the way they do and in case of any finding, they can confirm whether it conflicts with the Quran or not; if it does not, then there is nothing wrong to proceed with it further but if it does, then archaeology needs to be further examined however, such an occurrence would never happen since the Quran is from God. Amend their accusation to now include the Bible also. [18] According to the Quran, the Thamud were the successors of a previous nation called the d, who had also been destroyed for their sins. you who live in the clefts of the rocks[a] BUY ISLAMIC BOOKS by The Sincere Seeker for Adults & Children on AMAZON: https://www.amazon.com/thesincereseekerFOLLOW The Sincere Seeker on social media to . The story of musa (muses) a.s. _ Magic and Illusi Suhih Muslim _ Book of "End of the World", Who is Musa a.s. (Moses) ? 2. In Islamic prophetic history, the Prophet Salih (s) was sent to the first tribe of Thamud before the coming of Moses (s), since one of the believers warned Pharaoh about what happened to them. Salamun alaikum, Khawiya seems to mean destroyed/overturned but the term could possibly mean ruined too. So Allah sent a camel with the simple command: Dont harm her. Source: Sahih Muslim 2980, Grade: Sahih. Having similar names doesnt mean much Assalamualaikum thnx for the link. Its also implausible that a people who would be at the helm of such epic architectural and engineering achievements would not even make mention of it, or at least keep a record of it. [16] Scarcity of water and of permanent pastoral land required them to move constantly. The Thamud are mentioned in contemporary Mesopotamian, Classical, and Arabian sources, including in inscriptions in a temple erected in the 160s for the god lh, by the Thamud themselves. This is an odd conclusion. 12. 6. According to Arab tradition, the Adnanites are called Arabised because it is believed that Ishmael Spoke Aramaic and Egyptian then learnt Arabic from a Qahtanite Yemeni woman that he married. This is an article I recently wrote. [Quran 27:45]. Also sorry with wadi alQura where is that place because you mention in your article that is the place and it is different but where is it in saudia Arabia like how far from madain saleh and where is it near because they dont show it on the maps, 4. . No, not at all. The exact time of their existence is nearly impossible to determine. Can someone please answer 89:9 because Im really stuck on this verse. Otherwise, it could be also the Lihyanites, who disappeared some time before Isa (as), they also had some kind of rock art. 14. Moreover, they cultivated fertile land and gained lots of benefit from it. A temple they constructed at Rawwafa, 200 miles north of Medina, mentions the following in a Greek-Nabataean bilingual inscription: For the wellbeing of the rulers of the whole world . due to the belief as mentioned in the Quran that warners were sent to all Nations. And perhaps, just like the Aad before them, they forgot the faith of Tawheed practiced by their ancestors and slipped into worhsiping idols. Compounding the confusion is the fact that the tribal name Thamud is applied today to a broad section of different peoples throughout history, not only to those mentioned in the Quran. Jumping the gun, 2. The crafts became abundant and firmly rooted. For the town in Yemen, see, sfn error: no target: CITEREFEph'al1984 (, "Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih)", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thamud&oldid=1132970365, This page was last edited on 11 January 2023, at 16:00. The Thamud were Arabs, and the Bible tells us in Genesis 28:9 that Esauthe father of the Edomites married into the Ishmaelites, so that makes Edomites half Arabs also. And We saved those who believed and had Taqwa. The Qurn mentions the Thamd as examples of the transitoriness of worldly power. Eph'al instead speculates that the Thamd and other Arab tribes may have made arrangements with Sargon to trade in Samaria, which Assyrian historians embellished as submission. Missionaries and polemicists seize upon the error of this folklore as an alleged example of the error of the Quran, but in reality, this is not the case. Al-ijr, Saudi Arabia: ancient Thamd house, This article was most recently revised and updated by. And perhaps, over the generations, these people developed their own magnificent society with its own special hallmarks and characteristics. However, that does not solve the dilemma of who carved out the hills and mountains in Petra because the Edomites existed prior to the Nabateans, who according to the Christians were the ones who carved out the mountains and hills of Petra and Madian Saleh in 1st or 2nd century B.C. . Thamud were destroyed Allah mentions how there were actually nine families that pretty much ran everything in this society. However, as the Christians have proposed an objection to the notion of any other people carving structures in hills and mountains prior to the Nabateans, this leaves the Christians with the following options: (1). Also what time do you think noah ad and thamud came. The Aad before them were pretty decent architects and built some fairly magnificent castles. I hope they remove whatever articles they have written on this topic, as its beyond question that the Quran did not make an error on this topic, given that the Bible makes similar claims, and given that we know almost nothing about the Nabateans, and that the majority of the structures85 percent in Petra, and a major portion in Median Salehare still hidden under ground. SUHIH MUSLIM _ THE BOOK OF HEART-MELTING TRADITION 40 Hadith Qudsi_ Al Nawawi's Forty Hadith. But the inscriptions in Lihyanite script and some recently discovered archaeological vestiges are evidence for human settlementas early as the 3rd or 2nd century BCE. [16] It is possible that the Thamud were not one tribe, and that other tribes took on the name of Thamd after the original tribe by that name had gone extinct. And remember when He made you successors after the Aad and settled you in the land, [and] you take for yourselves palaces from its plains and carve from the mountains, homes. Its in their records, that we find out first mention of Thamud. Replying by always staying what is the problem or what is the issue seems to have a rebuking or shaming tone that appears very harsh to the questioner. The tribes of Arabia descend from either one of the two Arab ancestors, Adnan or Qahtan. Follow the great majority of Muslims today? Ptolemy (d. 168 AD), describes a people called Oaditai8, bordered by Aramaeans to the north, and Thamud to the south, close to what is today called Wadi Ramm. I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. As for objection number one, as far as my research has shown, the only reason that the carved-out structures are considered tombs is due to various rectangular carved out niches inside them where the dead bodies were to be placed. Like some of the tombs have window openings and some of the niches are not much more wide than a hand, which hardly can serve as a resting place for a human body. 4) That the ORIGINAL dwellings in the valley were Thamuds but Nabateans built them further. The Christians are claiming that the Qurans statement about Thamud carving structures in the hills and mountains is demonstrably false as the structures are built not by the Thamud but by the Nabateans, who came much later. The Akkadians are the Arameans who are the Chaldeans who are the Nabateans who absorbed The Amorites. What we do know about the Edomites, historically, is that they lived in and around Petra before the Nabateans came. (sorry for all the writting just answer the atharan bit and the 7 things I just wrote Down it doesnt matter about that long paragraph in the middle), Or bonus it just means they were better in building houses on past witch you cant see anymore like effects in 30:50, Any thoughts Bro sorry to keep bothering you with this, Aoa They didnt bluntly reject Salih like the Aad did to Hud. You mentioned that there are many house-like structures in the valley today, so perhaps they are one of those. One Who missed the Friday Prayer should pray Zuhr: Moving the Finger in Tashahhud : Fatwa Collection_ 40 short hadiths filled with wisdom. [17], Thamud is mentioned twenty-three times in the Quran as part of a moralistic lesson about God's destruction of sinful nations, a central motif in the Quran. Akkadians are from Prophet Hud pbuh. Unfortunately, both nations rejected their prophets. Aben Ezra thinks that caph, the note of similitude, is wanting; and that the sense is, thou thoughtest that Mount Seir could secure thee, as they that dwell in the clefts of a rock: whose habitation [is] high; upon high rocks and mountains, such as Mount Seir was, where Esau dwelt, and his posterity after, him. [24] The major migration to the region by Arab tribes was in the 11th century when the tribes of Banu Hilal and Banu Sulaym, along with others, were sent by the Fatimids to defeat a Berber rebellion and then settle in the Maghreb. Most scholars interpret this as an earthquake. Now today, Thamudic ones have not remained and what is preserved are the Nabatean ruins, Assalam alikum I think what the people are trying to say is if I got this right is that the hadith says dont enter the homes houses of thamud so the verses makes it sound like the houses were still standing tall back then and some non muslims use this hadith to say the muhammad peace be upon him thought that these houses that were built by the thamud but that he got it wrong because these tombs were built by the nabtions not thamud and Ibn Kathir thought the same this is what I think they mean. But as well see below, archaeological and literary records place them firmly in Northern Arabia/Jordan, well after the death of Jesus (33 AD). The Rashaida of Sudan and Eritrea live in close proximity with the Beja people. Similarly, much later, Thamud were wiped out and their remains were taken over by Midianites of which we see the pictures and they constructed over them as per their methods. after Isa (as), the period there were no prophets aynmore- how they could then deny their messenger? Abul Ala Maududi. Al-Arab al-Ba'ida (Arabic: ), "The Extinct Arabs", were an ancient group of tribes of prehistory that included the 'd, the Thamud, the Tasm, the Jadis, the Imlaq (who included branches of Banu al-Samayda), and others. The most striking thing about the Thamud was the huge buildings and structures they built into the sides of mountains. The points raised by alfinlandi are very reasonable to counter the points of the article. This law they hold because they judge that those who possess these things will be easily compelled by powerful men to do what is ordered them because of their enjoyment of these things. Later still, we find them mentioned by Ptolemy (d. 168AD), in his Geography.6. They trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Routledge. It must also be kept in mind that not all of the structures have been found as of yet. But it was hamstrung and eventually killed by nine people of Thamud, who then attempted but failed to kill Salih himself. Obviously, the Thamud were much more advanced technologically than the Aad. [34][35] Tribalism is a significant characteristic of Arab population in Khuzestan.[36]. In light of these points, in my opinion the only reasonable conclusion is one of the following: 1) That the dwellings of Thamud were destroyed some time between The Expedition of Tabuk and today. If you keep that mindset, youll go far, Inshallah. 2 See, I will make you small among the nations; Therefore, the Aad were a society that sprung up from the survivors of the flood, perhaps some of the same people who rode in the Ark with Prophet Noah (AS). 1995. International Dictionary of Historic Places. It is possible that the dwelling areas are no longer visible in the last 1400 years as these are just small rooms and tombs with no space inside. Thereupon Allahs Messenger () commanded that the water collected for drinking should be spilt and the flour should be given to the camels and commanded them that the water for drinking should be taken from that well where the she-camel used to come. Thamud scripts and finds are noted in the area as well as possible signs of the ancient people before Thamud. - - * - Had the Prophet () thought that the rock carved structures in al-Hijr were those of Thamd, he would have pointed them out. Guiding Romantic Desire: Wisdom in the Sexual Ethics of Islam, Custodianship of the Right Hand: Concubinage, Rape, and Sexual Slavery in Islam. [27] Both tribes are of great reputed antiquity and, according to traditional Arab genealogists, are two of the four ba 'ida, or extinct tribes. Re. Who can bring me down to the ground? 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